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[neo2510]

You didn't follow up on your query. And that's everybody else's fault but yours.

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the buyer didn't follow up on his query OK... BUT, the seller ignored answering it, which, (once the buyer realized that the LCD had/has a crack on the LCD itself) now makes it seem like the seller knew all along that the LCD itself had a crack on it.

it doesn't matter if the buyer made a mistake in not following up with the seller. so what? is that dishonesty? NO!

this is a matter of being honest and forthcoming with someone who is giving you their hard earned money and expecting not to be disappointed/misinformed.


P.S: on another note... the words profiting and profiteering don't mean the same thing.

P.P.S: there are a lot of "senior" members on this forum who buy low and sell for higher.
most of them simply respond via PM to WTB ads instead of posting WTS ads.

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[Thad E Ginathom]

And yes I trusted a 60 year old American who seemed genuine to me.
From henceforth be Indian buy Indian.

You didn't follow up on your query. And that's everybody else's fault but yours. And now you throw racism into it all. Don't expect sympathy!

The one suggestion I have for the mods is to close this topic.

[neo2510]

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irrespective of who is to blame here... it's important to understand a few simple things about this transaction.


the seller, intentionally not clarifying the chipped LCD is wrong. it was not a mistake. it was not oversight. it was intentional. 

the buyer not asking for clarification is carelessness or even demonstrates someone willing to trust a fellow forum "senior" forum member.

this all comes down to this... how difficult is it to remember and ask the camera's actual owner if the screen protector was removed?

is it really to much to ask? besides, it OBVIOUS from the picture posted by the buyer that there is no screen protector.

who are we kidding? nothing else matters!


(i'm writing this from the perspective of being someone who almost bought this EM1 from this same seller. Ended up buying a new EMii instead)

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[Tushar Subhro]

I usually discount my prices if you see my other posts.
I eventually sell it lower than what I mark initially.
That is my way of marketing.
Here I didn't eventually sell it.
It would be helpful if someone could suggest me the fair value of the product in it's present condition so that Tom and I can bear any depreciation mutually as I had suggested him initially.
And yes I trusted a 60 year old American who seemed genuine to me.
From henceforth be Indian buy Indian.
I fully understand that I shouldn't go for a sale unless fully convinced.
And yes I should have bought it up immediately after I received it before posting it.
And if you are following the thread I only wanted a response from Tom, for his wishful misinformation but I was being targeted for not being careful. The point is made.
And as far as reselling is concerned, I didn't resell products bought from the forum on it before this.
I do see a lot of stuff selling on the forum that had been purchased on the forum.
So is it that one cannot sell it.
Yes I lost my temper, Bharat was doing his job and it was beyond his control to extract response from an unwilling person and for obvious reasons.

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BTW thank you for finally acknowledging that Tom is at fault for not verifying the chip.

You may want to reread that whole statement, you are equally at fault for not getting the clarification and proceeding with the deal, in doing so you assumed all risks.

You are absolutely right. And I was well aware while marking it higher.

If you were aware you should not have done it, this is against forum rules.

Treat the mods with some respect, you wanted them to reply, now that they have you start throwing mud at them.

[Tushar Subhro]

BTW thank you for finally acknowledging that Tom is at fault for not verifying the chip.
Strangely none suggested an amicable solution.

[Tushar Subhro]

I was well aware about the "profiteering" angle being highlighted by YOU before I posted the frown as there is a pattern to your moderation which I had noticed.
But I still went ahead with the post as both aspects needed to be brought to notice both for senior members and moderators.
And your "profiteering" clause is more so flawed in this forum as most of the members are much more experienced and they know the actual value of the product than me. They buy only if the price suits their needs. Else my EM1 won't be still unsold.
I would surely of course not post anything, but hope that there will be a collective decision and based on forum rules which are currently not visible.

[Bharat Varma]

1. About the "There are some "holier than thou" members it seems", your whatsapp screenshots and your "But he had ignored it" make it very clear that Tom did not clarify the chip. Why did you go ahead with the deal if you had any doubts that were not clarified? Tom is at fault for not verifying the chip. YOU are at fault for not insisting that he remove the screen guard and show the unblemished screen before going ahead with the purchase.

2. This forum is NOT meant for profiteering from deals made on the forum, which is what you certainly tried to do. Please refrain from any further dealing in the buy and sell section of the forum while the mods decide on the appropriate action.

You are absolutely right. And I was well aware while marking it higher. I had taken permission from Tom that I will sell the body soon.
I put the lens on sale only recently and the total cost still comes to 30500 with 24500 and 6000 respectively.
I know what you are getting at and I was expecting this given your first response.
There are some "holier than thou" members it seems.
My whole point of posting in this topic was to bring it to light.
Cause I really bought the "my wife has spent the money" excuse.

[Tushar Subhro]

And I was only expecting a response from Tom and I know that would be the only legal extent to which Mods can mediate.

[Tushar Subhro]

You are absolutely right. And I was well aware while marking it higher. I had taken permission from Tom that I will sell the body soon.
I put the lens on sale only recently and the total cost still comes to 30500 with 24500 and 6000 respectively.
I know what you are getting at and I was expecting this given your first response.
There are some "holier than thou" members it seems.
My whole point of posting in this topic was to bring it to light.
Cause I really bought the "my wife has spent the money" excuse.