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[Digital_Reality]

Even though you should have checked market price (or online at least), I dont think it is morally correct to sale in higher that CURRENT prices.

Can I request mods to include one more item eg 'online link for product', in Buy/Sell std format,may not neccessarily with price, but prospective buyers can take it from here and search ...?

It will also helpful in understanding correct product.

Just a suggestion....

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[anil11]

Hi All,

This is Anil, a newbie photography hobbiestic, would like to share my recent experience of purchase on JJMF :

First time I faced this problem, I have bought multiple products from JJMF but never faced such a problem, Although its totally my mistake that I blindly trusted a JJMF member about pricing and all, Its quite obvious too, I mean people having senior ratings and member of this forum makes it bit comfortable to trust and have faith on their words.

Last month I bought two flash units from a senior rating JJMF member, paid him the asking amount in cash (without negotiations) & picked stuff from his home itself. Also we tried to test the flash units at his place on commander mode of my cam but somehow the synch was not proper but the person tried his best with settings, also he helped in explaining me the basics of photography and shared some study material too(so nice of him). After coming back i tried with multiple settings of commander mode, kinda hit & trial. it worked but not upto my satisfaction.. Also after couple of weekend experimentation I realized one flash can fulfill my requirements and its better to have a OEM flash for on-camera & off camera usage. Till now everything was fine :)

So I decided to purchase a SB-600/700 used unit in budget and listed the units I purchased few weeks back for selling to raise funds, In response to my WTS listing, JJMF members contacted me and informed that my asking price is higher than the current market price of new units. Initially i ignored but later I asked them the contact of seller. To my surprise that seller said these are out of stock but can provide for 3100/- per unit (which I paid 3600/- for used ones). I contacted politely to the prev owner of these flashes, initially he did not responded for PM then I called him, first call un-answered and in another call he was busy in some family function, here's the detailed communication :-

Hi ABCD,

I don't know how to say this but the fact is JJMF members calling me & stating same thing again & again "the price for new flash is 3100 or 3200/-" Today 3rd person stated this thing. I'm gonna withdraw the sale as I don't wanna portrait sch an image of mine on the forum.

Do you think you can help me in this matter ? I've paid you more than the price for new (whatever you asked, without negotiating). Please let me know if you are interested in discussing this else I won't disturb you again.

Thanks !!

Regards,
Anil Sharma

Hi Anil,

Even I am not sure what to say. I am not sure where anyone is getting this for Rs 3100 new. If I am not wrong even -------- had sold his YN560 at same price (3600/-) around a week or 2 before i had put it on sale.

My thought if it is really available for Rs 3100/- used and you are quoting Rs 3600/- then i would not even bargain with you, but will go and get a new one. These are just some lowballers who will quote really low price just in case they get a deal.

If you check the price on Amazon.com it's for $68 - @ 54.81 conversion rate and 5% credit card charge the price comes to INR 3913.00. But again that is price in USA. Adding some cost to shipping to India, there is no way you have paid more than a new one.

Even if you check ebay the price is lowest at $58 which basis the above calculation comes to INR 3337 + registered shipping $10.00 and total cost is $ 3913.00. Any seller in India would add some more profit for getting the item shipped to India and taking risk. There is no way I think it would be less than INR 4200 anywhere, unless it is a used product.

Give the same information back to the people who have approached you and they will get their brains back.

Regards,
ABCD

Hi ABCD,

I've shared a fb link with you, have a chat with him, he's giving YN-560 for 3100/- (I've checked the ground reality then approached you)
Three person confirmed the same thing -
1. XXXXX (Professor ratings)
2. XXXXX (Regular from Delhi)
3. XXXXX (Newbie from Delhi)

Yeah true ------ sold, I tried to trace his listing and found only one reply of -------, probably he bought it btw You also succeeded in selling :P I was happy too but somehow commander mode performance was not that much good and I realized that one flash can fulfill my requirement and I thought of selling these by own without giving you any tension to raise funds for SB700 but..

It really sound stupid to argue for few bucks, I pinged JJMF moderator (without disclosing any name, not with the intention to blame rather to seek suggestion) and discussed the situation, he suggested to check the ground reality first and hold the sale till then, so I did a chat with that person, he said right now not in stock but can provide in 3100/-

So I deleted the thread, I don't wanna cheat anyone.

Today I called you to ask your address, so that I can ship these back to you, I don't want money too. I trusted you man.. not negotiated even a single penny.. and said in mail too, money is not so imp but trust and relations are more imp. BTW y u deleted wts thread of these flashes? i can see other thread but not this one.

After dropping you pm, I checked your last active time too but no response from your side, I asked for discussion only mate.

Anyways no hard feelings, just provide me your postal address, I'll send these to you as I won't be able to post them for sale knowing the mkt value.

Thanks for your valuable time.

Anil Sharma

Hi Anil,

I don't know what to say. Though not directly you are saying that I cheated you. I send a notification to the moderator to close/delete my post if the item gets sold. Some get deleted some get locked. You have clearly mentioned in your post that you bought the flashes from me. So there is nothing to hide from my side.

I didn't force anyone to buy it from me. It's a open forum.

I am sorry , but will not be able to take the flash back, even if it's for free. I was asked by someone on another forum for the flashes also, but by then you had bought it. I am going to send him your contact details. Let's see if it helps.

Regards,
ABCD


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Hi ABCD,

I've provided the facts before saying anything, true this is an open forum but still I was wondering if it was intentional or you were also unaware of current market prices.

Don't share my contact details to anyone, I won't be selling them... (at-least in this price).

Thanks for everything and hope you couriered the manual.

Regards,
Anil Sharma

I was expecting... might be he was also un-aware of current mkt prices and we can share the loss mutually but he responded like "It's an open forum, I've not forced anyone... :) :)"

Finally I deleted the WTS thread and purchased a SB-600, now I have three flash units :) :) will sell non-oem (with a loss for sure) , after atleast using them properly ;-).

So my point is before making any purchase double check on dealers too rather than checking online...

Regards,
Anil Sharma

[Hankosaurus]

Fellow Members,

It is the collective judgement of the Panel of Moderators that JJMPF Member "Gaurav Naik" of Mumbai has  misrepresented a product offered in Buy & Sell. Attempts to encourage an amicable solution to the problem have failed. Accordingly, his account has been permanently locked to bring this matter into compliance with Buy & Sell Rule 29a.

No further inquiries, nor any special comments from any Member on this issue, will be entertained by the Moderators.

[amitk26]

Old greases decay and form oil on aperture. I read somewhere that
newer silicon based lubricants don't decay and form oil

[binarycodes]

I have nothing to post related to the discussion on hand, just curious, how can a lens have oil drops in it?
Not that I doubt it or anything, I just want to know what could possibly cause that so I may avoid it.

[kumarrishi]

Hi Rishi ,
Did not log in to JJmehta for a long time ... So only a mail could get me back .

See i  always wanted people from Mumbai to check stuff in person before taking a decision So that it avoids hassle of selling and doing all that . You location of guwahati was remote for most couriers in  my area to send.  I packaged it in a box once...went to couple of courier service . Then after sme more days did a brand new packing ran around and finally got a courier service who would deliver it to you .

Before sending you the lens we had a call and you asked me to tell you what i saw. I described the exact condition of the lens which were true . Also i told i saw some water spots . I also told " mumbai is very humid and sometimes i get some water droplets . I keep it in sun and they go away . I KEPT THIS LENS ALSO IN SUN , but the water droplets did not evaporate " I had no frekking clue if it was water or OIL . for that matter i dont know how it looks . Inspite of telling you all this and taking hardship i sent the lens to you . Courier cost of 500rs (which was mentioned as buyer cost) was BORE BY ME as you are into conservation and i am into one . SO i felt the connect . Inspite of mentioning the outstation courier as BUYERS cost and risk . You went ahead.

Buyer cost and risk - doesnt it applies for courier related risk not the orignal condition of lens.
The water droplets (as u thought) didn't disappear like other lenses - doesn't it appeared it could have been oil.
I had no frekking clue if it was water or OIL - But when i tell u it is you don't accept it.

After you got the lens may be you expected a L lens of 8k and it did not meet you expectation . You asked me for repair. i Just asked you to send me pics of opened lens as a proof and i will pay half for cleaning service . Now who pays half for cleaning of a old lens ?  . I agreed to it too. You took you time went out for a holiday and now want to return . My question when all points were cleared to you why take me for a jolly ride...if you were unsure you shouldnt have gone ahead.  I sold my other stuff to JJM members and everybody is fine.

Small repair shops which don't give any bills. We have communicated over it and last you said send me hand made bills - when you dont accept what i am saying. You may say i made up the hand made bills. I also told you if you want proper bill Sheetala Camera in bangalore will give but they may take double for this and you were not willing to do this through them.

I called you and told you i wont be available due to tour and i am not planning to take the lens with me so do let me know your address,  if you want to me to ship it back i will carry with me. You did not give me your address. Why to carry lens with problems on a tour where i wanted my best equipment. I have your msgs and mine in phone do u want me to post it here.

I sent a brand new Flash to a JJM member Satyen . may be the courier guy dropped it or i dont know it did not work when it reached the guy . it was brand  new ! ...i did not ask a single question and refunded him the money .  So its not about having a lose integrity for 8k .... I had mumbai guys wanting the lens but i decided to do a HARD SHIPPING (you yourself would be a testimony of trouble i took to send it to guwahati ) . And now u want to simply return it ?  When i get 10 mails for a lens...i pick the guy from guwahati just to increase my troubles ?

So this is perhaps not your first time of sending bad stuff. You repaid satyen when it might have been dropped by courier guy but when no way i could have inserted the oil drop in lens you still don't believe me or refund me. I dont see any seller integrity.

Water droplets or oil droplets is what you say (who knows if u r not satistified with it and wanna return just like that ?) . I had told...it looks like water but isnt evaporating and your answer was ...ya ya thats ok i will take care of it . SO now why turn turtle ?

No i never said that..u only told me perhaps it will take some time for water droplet to evaporate and i asked you again and agian are these water droplets and you said yes. I had water droplets in my other lens and i told u if these are water droplets only then it wont be a problem. These are not water droplets.

Rishi the point is ...you tell a guy ...oh yeh whatever the condition i am taking it i will manage ....and then once u check the lens...say i wanna return ? Why spoil somebody's sale ? mudsling him ? and waste his time ?

Also have you seen your tone in messages? i felt i sent a brick instead of a lens ... !

I never said whatever condition don't lie now. I asked u again and again for fungus and water droplets and Af working or not. You told me whatever, i believed. When i find its not what u described as it has oil droplet, lot of it why shouldn't i want it to return?

When its send not as described you want me to forget about it and continue. if you believe that these are water droplets then take it back when the water evaporates sell it off.
My tone is fine ... i see u write lies now.

@Moderators : This thread is good intention . But there is no authenticity to check the guy complaining is cooking up a story or not .  Many ppl just pick an oldie to check if its  a gem , if it is ...its a lottery else...

Moderators please take necessary action.

[pankaj21]

@Chinmoy,

I have had similar incidents twice. I couriered the package once to bangalore. When the buyer got it, he to mentioned that there were no details, but only the tracking number on the package. Also, i had sent him pics of the packaging too, which he mentioned was completely tampered. I went to the DTDC office & they mentioned that they have the rights of opening the package (even though I had given them in written, whats being couriered).  Damn thing, that they dont have scanners to monitor :/
Worst part was that the hood was missing. :(

Second incident was very similar to your's. package did arrive at the DTDC Pimpri Office (5 mins distance from my place), but they never bothered to hand over it to me. Due to office timings constraints, always had to have a word over a call & they assusred that it will be deilvered soon. Finally I went to their office on Sat & they mentioned that there was no address on it & only my name was mentioned.
My question was, "how did the package come to Pimpri all the way from Hyderabad?"
The manager over there was quite & had 100 reasons to keep his side safe.

Like Vikram said, go for the DTDC Plus service. Much Much better.

Thanks for viewing

Pankaj :)

[GauravNaik]

I dont want to do this but no option...this is last msg just received from him

"..... Lens is not in right condition is...if lens has a scratch....Or af not working...or anything like that...There are buyers who are ready to buy it in any condition ...for 8k its steal......"
There are some post and pre part but these are not necessary...if needed would be send.

My question - "Sell it to those buyers. What is your problem now?"

Hi Rishi ,
Did not log in to JJmehta for a long time ... So only a mail could get me back .

See i  always wanted people from Mumbai to check stuff in person before taking a decision So that it avoids hassle of selling and doing all that . You location of guwahati was remote for most couriers in  my area to send.  I packaged it in a box once...went to couple of courier service . Then after sme more days did a brand new packing ran around and finally got a courier service who would deliver it to you .

Before sending you the lens we had a call and you asked me to tell you what i saw. I described the exact condition of the lens which were true . Also i told i saw some water spots . I also told " mumbai is very humid and sometimes i get some water droplets . I keep it in sun and they go away . I KEPT THIS LENS ALSO IN SUN , but the water droplets did not evaporate " I had no frekking clue if it was water or OIL . for that matter i dont know how it looks . Inspite of telling you all this and taking hardship i sent the lens to you . Courier cost of 500rs (which was mentioned as buyer cost) was BORE BY ME as you are into conservation and i am into one . SO i felt the connect . Inspite of mentioning the outstation courier as BUYERS cost and risk . You went ahead.

After you got the lens may be you expected a L lens of 8k and it did not meet you expectation . You asked me for repair. i Just asked you to send me pics of opened lens as a proof and i will pay half for cleaning service . Now who pays half for cleaning of a old lens ?  . I agreed to it too. You took you time went out for a holiday and now want to return . My question when all points were cleared to you why take me for a jolly ride...if you were unsure you shouldnt have gone ahead.  I sold my other stuff to JJM members and everybody is fine.

I sent a brand new Flash to a JJM member Satyen . may be the courier guy dropped it or i dont know it did not work when it reached the guy . it was brand  new ! ...i did not ask a single question and refunded him the money .  So its not about having a lose integrity for 8k .... I had mumbai guys wanting the lens but i decided to do a HARD SHIPPING (you yourself would be a testimony of trouble i took to send it to guwahati ) . And now u want to simply return it ?  When i get 10 mails for a lens...i pick the guy from guwahati just to increase my troubles ?


Water droplets or oil droplets is what you say (who knows if u r not satistified with it and wanna return just like that ?) . I had told...it looks like water but isnt evaporating and your answer was ...ya ya thats ok i will take care of it . SO now why turn turtle ?

Rishi the point is ...you tell a guy ...oh yeh whatever the condition i am taking it i will manage ....and then once u check the lens...say i wanna return ? Why spoil somebody's sale ? mudsling him ? and waste his time ?

Also have you seen your tone in messages? i felt i sent a brick instead of a lens ... !

@Moderators : This thread is good intention . But there is no authenticity to check the guy complaining is cooking up a story or not .  Many ppl just pick an oldie to check if its  a gem , if it is ...its a lottery else... 

[VikramF]

I've always used DTDC Plus (http://www.dtdc.in/dtdc-corporate-web_liferay/sg_premiumexp.html) - this is vastly different from the normal DTDC.

For one, the package is sealed inside a tamper-proof bag and the next is the amazing delivery time. For metros I can get delivery by as early as 10:30 AM the next day if I ship something before 8 PM today.

Obviously it is a lot more expensive than normal courier/DTDC, but well worth it and has moved lakhs worth of equipment without any issues (touch wood).

[mukerjichinmoy]

Feedback here is not about any person, but DTDC. Probably wouldn't serve to call this Feedback. Just want to mention this unhappy incident to forewarn other members as well.

I purchased a Canon 17-55 f/2.8 from Bangalore and it was shipped to Pune from there. The lens was shipped on 18/Dec. And I received the AWB number as well for tracking.

The next day, it shows in transit. I was not worried since it was shipped late in the evening, so was expecting it to be In-Transit on 19/Dec. Called DTDC Call-Center to be sure - No Response.

Same status on 20/Dec. Except that this time the DTDC site told me that the package had reached the DTDC Pune on 20/Dec at around 9.20am. No delivery. Called DTDC Call-Center to check status - No Response. Called multiple times that day.

Same status on 21/Dec. Called DTDC Call-Center multiple times to check status - No Response. Now I was getting worried. (I had already transferred the money).

Same status on 22/Dec. No change in the information displayed on the website. No delivery. Called DTDC at 9am. The lady took all relevant details and promised to call back in 1 hr. No call back till 11.30am.

Finally my patience gave out and I drove to the DTDC Office. 1pm. Described my situation, provided the AWB number only to be told that the package has been delivered !!!! Well, now I was panicking !!!

As you'd imagine, I created a scene there. And while talking described the package as per the description given to me by my seller. And lo and behold ! the Supervisor brought a package out in about 30 seconds asking if this was the package. It looked exactly like the description I had. So I told them what was expected to be inside. They opened it, and it was the lens package. I provided my Id details and took delivery by hand.

The interesting part is that the package had NO IDENTIFICATION marks on it AT ALL. None whatsoever. No address, no DTDC bar code, no FRAGILE sticker ... Nothing ! Just a bubble wrapped package with brown tape ! I'm assuming that my seller must have provided address and other details, that is why it reached Pune. But somewhere in transit or at the B'lore dispatch office, these guys stripped it of everything and sent it. In fact, later on when I informed my seller of this incident he told me that the wrapping was even more - so it seems that the package was opened or at least someone tried. DTDC Pune was checking with their Delhi & B'lore office about this package and no one had a clue what it was, who sent it, where it had come from etc.

Had I not gone to the office that day, this package would have remained UNCLAIMED there and I'd never have received it. I'd have been under the impression that I was cheated by the seller etc. Seller and I would have exchanged ugly words on this forum etc - all for some one else's fault.

I complained to the DTDC Vigilance Officer and will be sending another email to other DTDC authorities as well.

Just wanted other members here to know about this incident and ensure you try to protect yourself against such situations. Declare the package, insure it, use their Secure Package deal etc etc so this does not happen to you.

Anyway - FYI - the lens is in good condition. Works well and looking forward to using it this week.