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[vinay_pune]

ya its hipothetical cause it didnt happen in this case. we are trying to apply various possible situations. compare here . which is not right way cause that did not happen. what happened is happened and shown in my screenshots.

[vinay_pune]

yes i specifically asked if any issues are there while shooting. he said no. its while changing menu only
and when i got camera he said shutter can be changed in shutter priority only.

isnt that hiding >? seriously ?

[JessePinkmanYo]

Hi Vinay

Since you have posted this towards all the admins and members, as a member I would like to comment. But everyone including you has all the rights to differ.

First of all, if all the sentences are correct, then Harish was deliberately hiding the fact. The shutter was not working in the manual mode. Now since Harish has agreed to pay the refund amount, he acknowledges his mistake. But as you know when we purchase a camera, lens etc we keep a lot of hope and excitement in our mind. When things turn out ugly we really become very much disappointed. So it's a very costly mistake and could have been avoided at the very first place.

Now coming to the adapter part, did you inform Harish that you are going to purchase an adapter to mount your pentax lenses and did he confirm you to go ahead? If yes, Harish bears the moral responsibility, whether he should purchase it from you or not it's up to him. But definitely he bears the responsibility. But if you didn't mention about the adapter to Harish while purchasing the camera, he shouldn't be held accountable. Instead of the simple adapter, suppose if you would have purchased a highly expensive lens what would you do? Would you tell Harish to purchase it from you as well? You should have waited for the camera to arrive and then order the adapter etc.

Third point - shipping. Suppose Harish is located in the same city, but far away. So you came to his home to check the camera and found it's faulty. Would you ask Harish to pay for your car's fuel charges and also compensate for the wasted time? When you are purchasing something online there is always a risk involved, but I feel getting everything at home through the courier companies, checking the camera at home is much more convenient than travelling far away through the traffic jam. So think of return shipping is just like your fuel charges.

I personally know neither you nor Harish, never ever had any transaction with either of you. So I tried to be totally neutral. But obviously in the future if Harish puts anything for sale and looks attractive, even then I will avoid them. Refunding the money is really good, but it doesn't undo the all the troublesome.

+1 My thoughts precisely. Certainly a case for full refund. Nothing more.

Its like buying a mobile and simultaneously ordering a backcover to go with it. If the mobile is returned for some valid reason, doesnt mean the cover should be returned (even if it can be) or charged to the mobile seller. Its the cost one pays for preempting loss of time.

The point on shipping/local meetup is very valid too. Not at all a hypothetical situation. Happens all the time. Nowadays in metros/large cities, traveling cost is often more than the cost of courier, to say nothing of the lost time. Reminds me of a case when a local forum member offered to buy a 750 rupee worth filter at a 'discounted' rate of 650. We agreed to meet at a mutually convenient point and when I was 3/4ths the distance I got a call from this guy asking me to reduce the price further (by a whopping 50 rupees !). That is the kinda absolute disregard some will have for other people's time and money !

[Bharat Varma]

Item Condition: Still takes good pictures, the back wheel only has problem. That moves unnecessarily while going through the Menu or Playback. Cosmetic 6/10.

This statement was made quite clearly. What did you understand from it? Did you ask for details?
Sounds like the wheel operation was erratic, and obviously that would apply to anything done using that wheel, including changing shutter speeds if that was done with using this wheel.


I also don't think anything was deliberately "hidden".
Maybe the language and the description could have been more descriptive or explicit, but then it is also the buyer's responsibility to check in detail on any issues that have been mentioned in the WTS post.


I think refunding the cost of the camera was a reasonable response that should settle the matter.

[vinay_pune]

[vinay_pune]

[vinay_pune]

@harish
so you are saying u did not say that camera does not have any issues in working ?

i also have all the chat history. i ask u specifically about any issues in working and u said none.
i am not settling for camera refund. you deliberately hide the info so face the facts.

Vinay

[vinay_pune]

Hi Nirmalya
thanks a lot for looking in to this.

yes i didnt inform him about adaptor. but first thing first besides me asking if any issue is there in shooting, he deliberately hide the info. so i ordered adaptor considering its working condition. if he had motioned the problem and not hidden it , i would not have spent on adaptor.  And if this was a mistake i would have made some adjustments, but the fact that he knew the problem and didnt tell me is serious.

secondly, if seller is saying it has no issues in working, there is no reason why i would wait to order adaptor. I think that itself suggests that info given by seller cant be trustworthy.
which is not good for forums dignity.

Third point you mentioned is about shipping charges. firstly its hypothetical situation we are talking. if we was from same city. the thing that happened didnt happen under that situation. if problem was from my side i would have paid for shipping both ways.

Its a straight case of hiding info thus should be dealt accordingly.

i appreciate your effort to give solution.

thanks
vinay

[Harish Halemane]

Hello all admins and members,

I have already refunded the amount for the camera to this person (UPI screenshot is attached). The maximum I can do is to accept the camera return. I have not sold any adapter to him. He has not informed me about buying an adapter for the camera (I have the full previous chat history with me). So, there is no point to argue for that.

I have been using the camera in my studio for mugshots in Manual mode with Elinchrome Lights till the date of selling. So there is nothing to hide anything.

[nirmalya]

Hi Vinay

Since you have posted this towards all the admins and members, as a member I would like to comment. But everyone including you has all the rights to differ.

First of all, if all the sentences are correct, then Harish was deliberately hiding the fact. The shutter was not working in the manual mode. Now since Harish has agreed to pay the refund amount, he acknowledges his mistake. But as you know when we purchase a camera, lens etc we keep a lot of hope and excitement in our mind. When things turn out ugly we really become very much disappointed. So it's a very costly mistake and could have been avoided at the very first place.

Now coming to the adapter part, did you inform Harish that you are going to purchase an adapter to mount your pentax lenses and did he confirm you to go ahead? If yes, Harish bears the moral responsibility, whether he should purchase it from you or not it's up to him. But definitely he bears the responsibility. But if you didn't mention about the adapter to Harish while purchasing the camera, he shouldn't be held accountable. Instead of the simple adapter, suppose if you would have purchased a highly expensive lens what would you do? Would you tell Harish to purchase it from you as well? You should have waited for the camera to arrive and then order the adapter etc.

Third point - shipping. Suppose Harish is located in the same city, but far away. So you came to his home to check the camera and found it's faulty. Would you ask Harish to pay for your car's fuel charges and also compensate for the wasted time? When you are purchasing something online there is always a risk involved, but I feel getting everything at home through the courier companies, checking the camera at home is much more convenient than travelling far away through the traffic jam. So think of return shipping is just like your fuel charges.

I personally know neither you nor Harish, never ever had any transaction with either of you. So I tried to be totally neutral. But obviously in the future if Harish puts anything for sale and looks attractive, even then I will avoid them. Refunding the money is really good, but it doesn't undo the all the troublesome.