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Title: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Tarun Kumar Ghosh on March 24, 2025, 01:06:41 PM
I ordered one Navy Blue T shirt online and got one bottle green T Shirt. I contacted and they told me to send the photo of the T shirt. But whenever I took pictures of this bottle green T shirt it turned as blue.How can I take the photo so that it appears with its normal color bottle green.

Thanks for your time.
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: ashutosh1979 on March 24, 2025, 01:25:55 PM
Hi,
TEST
keep a white sheet of paper ( normal prinitng type) along with your T shirt and take a pic of both at the same time, if the color of paper in the pic is also blueish ...or in any way very different than white then it is color processing issue in your phone

2 possible reasons
1. White balance -    try taking photo in direct sunlight or change "white balance" setting in your phone to match the lighting around you

2. Auto color correction within your phone - try using some other phone, try using a stand alone camera




Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Nishit Dave on March 24, 2025, 02:12:45 PM
If your phone supports Raw mode picture shooting, go to the Pro mode of the camera, select file type as Raw / DNG (as the case may be) and then turn the White Balance slider till you can see the correct colour.

You can also keep a white piece of paper or cloth next to the item, click the picture in Raw, and then use a Raw editor to select the white item to set the white point.
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Tarun Kumar Ghosh on March 24, 2025, 08:24:54 PM
Quote from: ashutosh1979 on March 24, 2025, 01:25:55 PMHi,
TEST
keep a white sheet of paper ( normal prinitng type) along with your T shirt and take a pic of both at the same time, if the color of paper in the pic is also blueish ...or in any way very different than white then it is color processing issue in your phone

2 possible reasons
1. White balance -    try taking photo in direct sunlight or change "white balance" setting in your phone to match the lighting around you

2. Auto color correction within your phone - try using some other phone, try using a stand alone camera





Thanks for the response.
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Tarun Kumar Ghosh on March 24, 2025, 08:25:24 PM
Quote from: Nishit Dave on March 24, 2025, 02:12:45 PMIf your phone supports Raw mode picture shooting, go to the Pro mode of the camera, select file type as Raw / DNG (as the case may be) and then turn the White Balance slider till you can see the correct colour.

You can also keep a white piece of paper or cloth next to the item, click the picture in Raw, and then use a Raw editor to select the white item to set the white point.
Thanks for the response.
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Thad E Ginathom on March 24, 2025, 09:23:50 PM
Take the picture outside in natural daylight
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Hankosaurus on March 30, 2025, 11:25:15 PM
Hi.

I don't know if this goes for modern photo sensors, but I had an experience with film in the 1980s which was like this.  I did a portrait of a gentleman who was wearing a light green sports coat.  In the finished print, the coat came out tan colored.  The white balance was correct, but this happened just the same.  I came to find out that some synthetic fabrics are seen differently by different films.  Polyester sport coats were a thing in those days.

The suggestions to try a different light source, or a different camera (with a different sensor) may help.  And, of course, you will want to white balance for the shot.  Maybe even include something white in the frame to make your point to the vendor.

Good luck with it.  Happy Day.
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Tarun Kumar Ghosh on April 15, 2025, 08:50:22 PM
Quote from: Hankosaurus on March 30, 2025, 11:25:15 PMHi.

I don't know if this goes for modern photo sensors, but I had an experience with film in the 1980s which was like this.  I did a portrait of a gentleman who was wearing a light green sports coat.  In the finished print, the coat came out tan colored.  The white balance was correct, but this happened just the same.  I came to find out that some synthetic fabrics are seen differently by different films.  Polyester sport coats were a thing in those days.

The suggestions to try a different light source, or a different camera (with a different sensor) may help.  And, of course, you will want to white balance for the shot.  Maybe even include something white in the frame to make your point to the vendor.

Good luck with it.  Happy Day.
Used different camera but the result is the same. Also place it over white paper , no luck till now. I used my Nikon D 5100.
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Hankosaurus on April 16, 2025, 08:36:56 AM
Hi Kumar.

I'm mystified by the problem.  I hope one of our fellow Members knows of a good solution. 

Anyway, two things to try come to mind.
1.  I wonder if polarization of the light may affect anything.  Do you have a polarizer, or can you borrow one?
2.  I wonder if ultraviolet might have some play in the result.  A UV filter might make some difference.

Do you have an image to share of this "bottle green" shirt that is coming out blue?
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: hvyas on April 17, 2025, 11:05:42 AM
I have found 18% grey card very helpful in such situations. It gives correct exposure, white balance and colours. Hold the card in the same light in which the object is held and take the reading and expose one frame with the card and another without  the card but with the same exposure settings. The frame with the card helps in fine tuning in the post processing. In the absence of grey card back of the palm can be sustituted.
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Thad E Ginathom on April 17, 2025, 02:23:28 PM
I think...

Grey card is more for exposure: white card is for colour temperature.

But grey, if a properly neutral grey, will work for both. But with white, our eyes can more easily see that it is, or is not, white.

Put it in the middle of t-shirt. adjust using viewfinder, not lcd screen colour temp until it *looks* white. Or use your camera's auto-custom-setting, if it has it; Sony mirrorless cameras do. Mine will adjust for uneven-spectrum colour cast as well as temperature. 
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Tarun Kumar Ghosh on April 19, 2025, 12:13:50 PM
Quote from: Hankosaurus on April 16, 2025, 08:36:56 AMHi Kumar.

I'm mystified by the problem.  I hope one of our fellow Members knows of a good solution. 

Anyway, two things to try come to mind.
1.  I wonder if polarization of the light may affect anything.  Do you have a polarizer, or can you borrow one?
2.  I wonder if ultraviolet might have some play in the result.  A UV filter might make some difference.

Do you have an image to share of this "bottle green" shirt that is coming out blue?

I took one image but how can I insert it in my reply. In the insert image option I was prompted for a link.
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: ashutosh1979 on April 22, 2025, 12:08:24 PM
Quote from: Tarun Kumar Ghosh on April 15, 2025, 08:50:22 PMUsed different camera but the result is the same. Also place it over white paper , no luck till now. I used my Nikon D 5100.

So the white paper / white balance thing did not help, but what was the result? was  the paper looking white but the t shirt was still blue ??
And what was the result with natural light ??

Now I'm very curious please do keep us posted with whatever your try.
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: ashutosh1979 on April 22, 2025, 12:37:03 PM
Hi All,
Just for the benefit of anyone who is confused about white balance with a white card vs grey card vs white paper.

Here is an explanation

Yes as  Thad E Ginathom had said white card is used for white balance whereas grey card
(18% grey exact ) is used for exposure. Both need to be calibrated, so don't go for cheap ones.

Again, he is right to point that grey card can also be used for white balance. Because 1st statement is more valid for SLR or/ and in camera white balance. In case for digital images most image processing software will use white or grey tones( of any darkness) , to set the white balance. So don't need to rush for a "white card" if you have a grey card or similar.

As for using a white sheet of paper, it is hack not a recommended practice, senior photographers ( who can distinguish slight variation in hues ) would not EVER use it. However, for the average joe it would give good enough results which will correct very obvious colour cast. It is hack that will get you to the ballpark, not a "proper" solution.

I hope it clears any doubts regarding this issue. Please do correct above info if required.
Regards
Ashutosh
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Thad E Ginathom on April 22, 2025, 02:51:37 PM
Our eyes are very sensitive but our brains are very clever. "White" paper, cloth, etc etc is probably almost never actually white in the sense that we are talking about here. In fact, it may be adjusted to look whiter than white. Even washing powders may contain some invisible blue that enhances the "white" of our clothes. We will not see it consciously in most lighting, but check out the pictures of yourself dancing at the club, and see how bright your shirt shines, due to the higher UV in the lighting. Actually, I have some blue streaming lights outside my front door for special occasions, and they light up my cat's white fur too! Our brains adjust for it all.

But that Average Joe... Or just the guy who has no choice or control over the lights and must work with different temperatures just a few feet away from each other, or in different venues. I will take a camera reading from, say, a "white" vesti, it can be better than nothing. It can also be of very limited use as the light at that level can be very different to the light on the faces.

Photographing people, I got this hint somewhere: make the whites of the eyes and the teeth look right. I find that very useful. I also use the Indian Jasmine White Standard: the Jasmine in a lady's hair! lol

Outside of the studio, controlled lighting, or simple shaded daylight situations we must do the best we can. And be glad that we raw allows fairly easy correction!

PS... for a short time after changing white balance in the viewfinder, my brain's adjustment will pause and I can see it when I look direct. But it quickly "corrects" itself
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Nishit Dave on May 05, 2025, 12:30:26 PM
Always keep some Titanium Dioxide handy. Who knows when it may be needed?
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: ISO on June 01, 2025, 08:10:46 AM
I started searching the Op's opening post, then realised the reverse order. Quite unusual.

Anyway, nice discussion. I want to add that, based on my experience with flower photography, the camera and the human eye perceive things differently when it comes to bright colours.

The camera sensor is sensitive to UV and IR might give unexpected results for the bright colours. That said, green shirt looking blue is quite a radical shift that should not happen.
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Thad on June 01, 2025, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: ISO on June 01, 2025, 08:10:46 AMI started searching the Op's opening post, then realised the reverse order. Quite unusual.

Arw you seeing posts newest first? If so, I had the same problem and the answer is post #8 in this thread:

https://forum.jjmehta.com/index.php/topic,71368.0.html
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Hankosaurus on June 16, 2025, 10:44:20 PM
Quote from: Thad E Ginathom on April 17, 2025, 02:23:28 PM... But with white, our eyes can more easily see that it is, or is not, white.
I am reminded of a story wherein a family decided to have a "candlelight dinner" at home.  They had a little girl of about five or six years old.  The little girl had only ever eaten yellow rice, not white rice.  Just before dinner was served, the electric lights were turned out; the table was dimly lit by candles.  The little girl would not eat her rice, saying she did not want white rice.  She wanted yellow rice.  The parents turned on the electric lights for a minute or so, to show her that the "white" rice was actually yellow.  Our minds "correct" for variations in light color, at least to some extent.  Consequentially, we don't always really know what white is really white.

As others have mentioned, light outside the spectrum of normal human vision (e.g. UV & IR) may be perceived differently by cameras' sensors or film emulsions.  Some white objects fluoresce when subjected to UV.  That may be a factor as well.
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Thad on June 17, 2025, 02:11:02 AM
I used to enjoy an "illusion" caused by newly-installed street lights near my home in late 1960s. The lighting was very bright and sort-of orange. I think it was mecury-vapour lighting? I have forgotten. Anyway, there was a postbox. This postbox, like all other English postboxes, was red. I saw it regularly in daylight: it was red. Hoever, under this street lighting, it was absolutely, undeniably, black. It was impossible to see it any other way. Until the next day.
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Nishit Dave on June 17, 2025, 06:16:19 PM
Quote from: Thad on June 17, 2025, 02:11:02 AMI used to enjoy an "illusion" caused by newly-installed street lights near my home in late 1960s. The lighting was very bright and sort-of orange. I think it was mecury-vapour lighting? I have forgotten. Anyway, there was a postbox. This postbox, like all other English postboxes, was red. I saw it regularly in daylight: it was red. Hoever, under this street lighting, it was absolutely, undeniably, black. It was impossible to see it any other way. Until the next day.

Those would be sodium vapour lamps. They emit light in a very narrow band. We used to do a study of diffraction using such a lamp in physics class.

The post box would reflect red wavelengths, which would be absent from the sodium vapour lamp's light. So you saw a black PO box.
Title: Re: How to take photo of bottle green T shirt
Post by: Thad on June 18, 2025, 02:08:45 AM
Ah... Sodium vapour. I expect I knew at the time!

So those lamps emitted no red light, hence the absolute blackness of the PO box. Thanks a lot for the explanation :)