Feedback - FROWNS

[Nitin Goel]

Dear Moderators,

As per below reply from Mr. Bhaskar Rao (Alphahead) stating that "I pointed out to the buyer and sent him photos of the imperfections", Please refer to the attached snapshot from my whatsapp regarding the photos which he sent to me. You will understand what kind of photographs he shared with me. All pics are taken in dim light and cleverly hiding the defects.

Nothing much I want to say. Just be cautious with this person.


Thank you.

Nitin Goel

Perhaps you did not read my message properly. I pointed out to the buyer and sent him photos of the imperfections. That's about as "honest seller" as you can get. And what exactly did I conceal deliberately?
You are sitting on a high horse and you ARE casting aspersions.

Moral of the story: Everyone thinks they are perfect and is looking for a scapegoat when they have made a mistake.

Anyways I have said my side of the story. No need to be hostile to newbies with your silly morals, I don't need to be a part of a forum like that if that is the culture here, let us remember everyone starts off as a newbie. ::)

[JessePinkmanYo]

And what exactly did I conceal deliberately?

Since I'm not privy to the info/photos you might have provided to the buyer over phone/whatsapp, etc, I will not comment on that. But in addition to the lack of disclosure regarding "clearly visible defect" as pointed out by Bharat, the biggest issue here is non-disclosure regarding "Repairs done and parts replaced: NO". Thanks to the telltale signs on the rear mount "weather seal" gasket visible in photos uploaded, it is very evident that the TC has been pried open for repairs (fungus cleaning or element alignment, I cannot say). Since you have claimed to be the original owner, its impossible that those signs would be there without your knowledge.

I'm afraid it dont look too good.

PS - I guess this also underlines the importance of sticking to forum messages to keep  conversation well "documented" in messages, especially in wake of "disappearing" whatsapp chats and/or issues arising out of verifiability/illegality phone call recordings.

[Bharat Varma]

Since you've asked, please point out where exactly you have highlighted the "imperfections" in your post.

On Phone, he mentioned that this teleconverter is just 2 times used and in like condition with very minor one scratch mark on the body

Caution!  Buyers are strongly advised to read the Forum Rules and do their own due diligence before buying.

Bought from JJ Mehta, 4 years ago. Have bill, cover, no box.
Used once for a trip. Not used in past 3.5 years.

Call/Whatsapp: 8297689707

Item for Sale: Sony 2x teleconverter SEL20TC
Asking Price: 35000
Item Location: Goa
Item's Age & its Description: 4 years, excellent condition
Are you the original owner* of the item being sold? YES
Do you have the original Bill? Yes
Objects included for listed item** (caps, lens shade, box, etc.): Cover, cap
Is the Item under warranty? No
Are you interested in trading this item? No
Condition (Appearance/Functionality): Excellent
Repairs done and parts replaced: NO
Optics condition,  Front/Back/Inside with respect to:   Fungus:    Dust:    Haze:    Scratches:    Aperture function: ALL PERFECt
Shipping Destinations: India
Preferred Shipping Services: Blue Dart
Accepted Payment Types: UPI/Bank transfer
Return Policy Applicable/Not Applicable (Terms & Conditions): No returns
Special Note:

Also quoting an important part of Rule 8 here. Please indicate how exactly you were in compliance.

If the seller sees that a product has a clearly visible defect, he/she is required to provide a clear image and description of it to be sure that the limitation is well understood before a deal is struck.

Perhaps you did not read my message properly. I pointed out to the buyer and sent him photos of the imperfections. That's about as "honest seller" as you can get. And what exactly did I conceal deliberately?
You are sitting on a high horse and you ARE casting aspersions.

Moral of the story: Everyone thinks they are perfect and is looking for a scapegoat when they have made a mistake.

Anyways I have said my side of the story. No need to be hostile to newbies with your silly morals, I don't need to be a part of a forum like that if that is the culture here, let us remember everyone starts off as a newbie. ::)

[alphahead]

Perhaps you did not read my message properly. I pointed out to the buyer and sent him photos of the imperfections. That's about as "honest seller" as you can get. And what exactly did I conceal deliberately?
You are sitting on a high horse and you ARE casting aspersions.

Moral of the story: Everyone thinks they are perfect and is looking for a scapegoat when they have made a mistake.

Anyways I have said my side of the story. No need to be hostile to newbies with your silly morals, I don't need to be a part of a forum like that if that is the culture here, let us remember everyone starts off as a newbie. ::)

[Nishit Dave]

Every single imperfection the buyer mentions on the TC is clearly visible in the photos in the ad that alone is enough to absolve me, its concrete proof.

Hello, you misled the forum about the condition of the teleconverter. It is plain to see. I don't want to cast aspersions, but an honest seller would point the damage out up front, while you seem to have concealed it deliberately.

Moral of the story for members: Don't buy from newbies.

[alphahead]

I am not sure why this buyer is so aggrieved other than the fact that he thinks he overpaid or didn't do his HW before buying in a hurry.

Every single imperfection the buyer mentions on the TC is clearly visible in the photos in the ad that alone is enough to absolve me, its concrete proof. On the phone conversation, he seemed in a great hurry to get the TC, and I told him about the imperfections again, and sent him more two more fresh pictures of the flaws. So how am I in the wrong, I went above and beyond in my duty as a seller.

I have used this TC only in two birding trips and since then for a few years its been lying in my closet, which is buyer is free not to believe but that is the truth.

And finally to be honest even though I don't feel in anyway I have mislead the buyer in anyway but still if this buyer had been more pleasant in his dealings and had not recorded our phone conversations without my permission (which according to Indian laws is an illegal activity), I would have done him the favour of refunding the TC.

I am not here to make money or fool anyone and this is just a hobby. It is my first time selling something here and it is my misfortune to have sold to a buyer like this guy.

Moderators, please take down this frown post, it is just unnecessary and unfair personal attack from a careless buyer.

FINALLY as a new member here I have a suggestion to the moderators of a forum, please define an objective scale of 1-10 for conditions of selling items, because one man's "excellent condition" camera might be another man's "poor condition" camera. Ebay has that, so does hifivision.com or audiogon.com, you can use them as models.

Dear Admins and All members,

I came across this post "https://www.jjmehta.com/forum/index.php/topic,66182.msg493012.html#msg493012" where id: alphahead (Mr. Bhaskar Rao) was selling Sony 2x Teleconverter. I contacted him on mentioned mobile number and he mentioned that this teleconverter is in Excellent condition and only two times used in past 4 years. It is like new only very minor one scratch mark on the body. Then I bought this item from him after making agreed payment.

When I received the teleconverter, found that teleconverter was dropped and having two dents on the mount. The mounting / unmounting button paint is chip off from all sides and it is impossible that this product is used only two times. I bought it due to his assurance that the product is like new only and only 2 times used. Please refer to the attached two pictures.

Once received, I immediately notified him with pictures, but he has refused to take back the teleconverter and return the money.

Pls do not buy anything from this person. He is not a genuine person.

Moderators requesting you to take suitable action and all members please be cautious.


Thanks,

Nitin Goel

[JessePinkmanYo]

This is feedback in respect of Mr Sudhir Damerla (id - sudhirdamerla - https://www.jjmehta.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=51788)

THE TRANSACTION - The buyer purchased the Manfrotto Gimbal MVG220 listed here :- https://www.jjmehta.com/forum/index.php/topic,66495.0.html

THE FACTS - Buyer contacted me on June 05 indicating the requirement for fast shipping so that he could use it for a shoot on June 08. I replied saying I could ship same day via DTDC (if payment is cleared before 4PM) for additional cost with June 7 as tentative delivery date. I told him I was willing to bear the balance cost of DTDC shipping if he could bear 100 bucks extra to which he agreed. These messages were being exchanged around 12 and Buyer finally made payment of 16.25K @ 4PM (after reminder) and wrote back requesting item to be shipped via DTDC blue if possible. He told me he was willing to bear the difference between DTDC Lite and Blue if I could ship via Blue (next day delivery). I said I'll try since it was already getting late for the "blue" cut-off.

The packed item weighed over 2.5 kgs and DTDC quoted a figure of 520 for DTDC Lite shipping and ~1700-1800 for DTDC Blue (using volumetric weight method instead of the actual weight). The Blue prices were downright obnoxious and so I quickly booked via "Lite". I paid the amount of 520/- and informed him of the total cost and tracking details as also requesting him to pay the shipping balance. He replied back saying he'd do so "in a bit". The item was eventually delivered on June 07 to his satisfaction.

THE ISSUE - I have sent him a number of reminders for payment of the balance shipping fee but up till the time of this post, he has neither paid the same nor responded on the topic after the initial message saying he would do so in a bit.

This is NOT the first time I have had hardball played over 50-100 rupees (I reported one such incident here :- https://www.jjmehta.com/forum/index.php/topic,5808.msg488248.html#msg488248 ) and I'm sure it wont be the last. But I do find this rather disturbing and a sign of deep-rooted malaise. If you cant trust someone to keep his word for 100-200 bucks, you cant trust him for anything.

INTERVENTION SOUGHT - NONE. This is just feedback.

I have never cared for $1-$2 "negotiations" and I'm not going to start now. For my part I will NOT be having any transactions with him in future. Readers may want to exercise caution and ensure full payment is received before shipping out any item. In this case and in others.

Thank You !

[Thad E Ginathom]

I came across this post "https://www.jjmehta.com/forum/index.php/topic,66182.msg493012.html#msg493012" where id: alphahead (Mr. Bhaskar Rao) was selling Sony 2x Teleconverter.

The scuffed paint on the mount button can just be seen in the pics on his post. I'm afraid it does look as it he positioned the item so it was not properly shown.

[Nitin Goel]

Dear Admins and All members,

I came across this post "https://www.jjmehta.com/forum/index.php/topic,66182.msg493012.html#msg493012" where id: alphahead (Mr. Bhaskar Rao) was selling Sony 2x Teleconverter. I contacted him on mentioned mobile number and he mentioned that this teleconverter is in Excellent condition and only two times used in past 4 years. It is like new only very minor one scratch mark on the body. Then I bought this item from him after making agreed payment.

When I received the teleconverter, found that teleconverter was dropped and having two dents on the mount. The mounting / unmounting button paint is chip off from all sides and it is impossible that this product is used only two times. I bought it due to his assurance that the product is like new only and only 2 times used. Please refer to the attached two pictures.

Once received, I immediately notified him with pictures, but he has refused to take back the teleconverter and return the money.

Pls do not buy anything from this person. He is not a genuine person.

Moderators requesting you to take suitable action and all members please be cautious.


Thanks,

Nitin Goel

[Bharat Varma]

1. The matter is settled.
2. No fault is ascribed to either seller or buyer.
3. Please note that redundant posts on this issue will now be removed.