Feedback - FROWNS

[saiki00]

WARNING NOTICE:

The following member has been banned from the forum for creating upto 10 ids that we're aware of and for using them to post the same item for sale at differing prices.

Name of member: Arun Raju
Location: Tambaram, Chennai

Known Aliases:
1. ar74339
2. Zipzaap
3. imapentaxman
4. Photobaba420
5. Arun Raju
6. Jamesbond
7. cheeseface700
8. rarun365
9. zipzaap
10. chok

Known Contact Details (there are additional details)
1. 9176320999
2. 8015288212
3. ar74339@gmail.com

He mainly deals with pentax stuff, but sells/buys other equipment too.

Any member dealing with him is doing so at their risk.

If anyone has more knowledge or suspects duplicate ids - please let any of the mods know via PM.

Thanks Vikram for the warning....
one more thing i would like to ask for if it's possible.
A readily available list for both grinned and frowned ppl which we can refer before doing any transaction. Otherwise even search option is also bit tough to get the correct details.Just a thought though :)  ....

thanks again.

[maraque]

WARNING NOTICE:

The following member has been banned from the forum for creating upto 10 ids that we're aware of and for using them to post the same item for sale at differing prices.

Name of member: Arun Raju
Location: Chennai

Known Aliases:
1. ar74339
2. Zipzaap
3. imapentaxman
4. Photobaba420
5. Arun Raju
6. Jamesbond
7. cheeseface700
8. rarun365
9. zipzaap
10. chok

Known Contact Details (there are additional details)
1. 9176320999
2. 8015288212
3. ar74339@gmail.com

He mainly deals with pentax stuff, but sells/buys other equipment too.

Any member dealing with him is doing so at their risk.

If anyone has more knowledge or suspects duplicate ids - please let any of the mods know via PM.

I was just wondering if he created 10 different email ids to create all these jjmf ids or only one email id?

If only one - then how come its allowed to create multiple JJMF ids with same email id? If multiple, then please mention other 9 email ids for other guys awareness.

He has mentioned here that the user creates new email IDs for every new JJMPF account that he creates: http://www.jjmehta.com/forum/index.php/topic,30498.msg296847.html#msg296847

Some people really do have a lot of time on their hands.

[Hankosaurus]

Fellow JJMPF Members,

It is the judgement of your Moderators that Member xlncsurat (location given as Surat) has willfully misrepresented a product sold through the JJMPF Buy & Sell Board.  Appeals to him for information to set this issue right with the buyer have gone unanswered.

Accordingly, and in order to maintain compliance with Buy & Sell Rule 29a, the account xlncsurat has been banned.

[VikramF]

WARNING NOTICE:

The following member has been banned from the forum for creating upto 10 ids that we're aware of and for using them to post the same item for sale at differing prices.

Name of member: Arun Raju
Location: Tambaram, Chennai

Known Aliases:
1. ar74339
2. Zipzaap
3. imapentaxman
4. Photobaba420
5. Arun Raju
6. Jamesbond
7. cheeseface700
8. rarun365
9. zipzaap
10. chok

Known Contact Details (there are additional details)
1. 9176320999
2. 8015288212
3. ar74339@gmail.com

He mainly deals with pentax stuff, but sells/buys other equipment too.

Any member dealing with him is doing so at their risk.

If anyone has more knowledge or suspects duplicate ids - please let any of the mods know via PM.

[Ramstrong]

Trust is expensive don't expect it from cheap people - Warren Buffet

I faced this music 2-3 times, seller sending a bad item or not clearly telling me the status - lesson learnt. But faced this after face to face interaction also once. I went, checked the lens and paid after few days... by the time seller got some dirty works on the lens and ultimately while picking i trusted him and didn't check lens properly as i have checked few days back- finally landed with a bummer and seller stopped picking calls.

So through check while picking is a must, a tell tale sign of lens opening are scratch or marks near the outer rim ( there are two holes there to open lens front element). Same with rear element if the screws have scratch marks on them or on barrel means its opened.

+1.  :(

[image]

Okay, wrong choice of wording. What I meant was, it's not always possible to meet the buyer face-to-face, hence you cannot check the item personally, since a lot of deals carried out here are inter-city deals.

I understood your intent.

Plus, the seller might be from a place where you might not happen to have friends to check it out.

If I am buying an expensive lens (expensive is relative) for a good value, it might be worth travelling, if possible. Else, I will not buy. Its as simple as that. My life is already complicated. No need to add more head aches to the many I already have.

For point #1 we have the GRINS section. But then some good deals might happen with members who are not mentioned there. And taking that leap of faith by some of us is what gets them mentioned there in the first place.

Yes. That is what I meant by people of repute. I will also make independent enquiries where possible.

If you went ahead because the deal was irresistible, and then got punched in the face, you should use your own shoulder to cry  ;).

There is a saying in Kannada (and may be in many other languages) : ಕಣ್ಣಾರೆ ಕಂಡರೂ ಪರಾಂಬರಿಸಿ ನೋಡು ---> Even if you see with your own eyes, you should verify properly.

[kumarrishi]

Trust is expensive don't expect it from cheap people - Warren Buffet

I faced this music 2-3 times, seller sending a bad item or not clearly telling me the status - lesson learnt. But faced this after face to face interaction also once. I went, checked the lens and paid after few days... by the time seller got some dirty works on the lens and ultimately while picking i trusted him and didn't check lens properly as i have checked few days back- finally landed with a bummer and seller stopped picking calls.

So through check while picking is a must, a tell tale sign of lens opening are scratch or marks near the outer rim ( there are two holes there to open lens front element). Same with rear element if the screws have scratch marks on them or on barrel means its opened.

[maraque]

If I were to buy something expensive :

1. I will buy from people of proven standing - Else
2. Personally inspect before buying
3. Have a friend inspect before buying
4. Do the deal face to face (my face or friends face).

I will never risk "long distance" buying from all and sundry. Never.

True, but hard to implement always. Sometimes you have to go on faith, which may not be reciprocated.

Which part is so hard to implement ?

Okay, wrong choice of wording.

What I meant was, it's not always possible to meet the buyer face-to-face, hence you cannot check the item personally, since a lot of deals carried out here are inter-city deals.

Plus, the seller might be from a place where you might not happen to have friends to check it out.

For point #1 we have the GRINS section. But then some good deals might happen with members who are not mentioned there. And taking that leap of faith by some of us is what gets them mentioned there in the first place.

[image]

If I were to buy something expensive :

1. I will buy from people of proven standing - Else
2. Personally inspect before buying
3. Have a friend inspect before buying
4. Do the deal face to face (my face or friends face).

I will never risk "long distance" buying from all and sundry. Never.

True, but hard to implement always. Sometimes you have to go on faith, which may not be reciprocated.

Which part is so hard to implement ?

[VikramF]

If I were to buy something expensive :

1. I will buy from people of proven standing - Else
2. Personally inspect before buying
3. Have a friend inspect before buying
4. Do the deal face to face (my face or friends face).

I will never risk "long distance" buying from all and sundry. Never.

True, but hard to implement always. Sometimes you have to go on faith, which may not be reciprocated.

Not really. You just need to be able to let a 'good deal' go by. That takes unholy strength  :P .


Otherwise it's a leap of faith to buy something unseen from someone who has no 'standing'.


Even then, it's quite possible that the person selling isn't aware of an issue because they might know how/what to check - I've seen a lot of folks who can't spot fungus for example. I've also seen folks who think a tiny spot of dust is fungus that will ruin a lens ....


I personally believe the fool proof method is #2. Though I've gone by #1 a number of times too.